Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:15 pm
Admin's Name: Mstgman
Admin's Rank: Unknown
Server & Map: Deathmatch, aim_ak-colt
Date & Time: 6/5/2018, about 6:30pm central US time
Witnesses (If app.): Unknown
Accusation(s): Kick abuse, applying his own standards to rules
Demo: Unavailable
Mstgman kicked me without warning after I killed him 4 or 5 times in a row. He was awping on aim_ak-colt so I decided to push up with my ak and get in his face about it. I killed him about 4-5 times in a row, some using wallbangs after I peeked to see his location. I often wide peek, take a few taps or a burst, then strafe behind a wall and take a few taps at where I last saw the enemy - then rinse and repeat. At best I might get a dink on the person through a wall allowing for an easy kill on the follow-up peek. It's a tactic I've used for over 10 years without issue and I've never heard it defined as spamming.
I was then kicked with no reason given. I reconnected and read the rules in the MOTD and was puzzled as to why I was kicked, so I asked. He simply replied "Spamming." I contested with something similar to: "A wallbang is not the same as spamming. I saw you." The rules in the MOTD define spamming specifically as "Firing blindly into walls." I was not doing this.
I explained I had seen his location, hid behind a wall, and tapped where I thought his model would be - I don't think I even got a kill through the wall. He then said that is against the rules. Ironically this is something I've read in other complaints about him that he does quite often (peeking, seeing an enemy, then attempting to hit them through a wall). I contested something similar to: "Spamming is clearly defined in the rules in the MOTD. What I did is not spam, it's a wallbang. It's a part of 1.6." He replied "Not in this server." Because Spamming is so clearly defined in the rules, I inquired if he often enforces rules that are not listed (and I was kicked again with no reason given). At this point it was pretty clear to me he was just mad he was losing to me and making up rules as he went. I was asking legitimate questions and he kept moving the goal posts. Because of this I felt compelled to report his actions, as several others have. I've attached console information below. Please note that my name in game was "terrrrible" during the incident and I've bolded the important bits (conversation and kick).
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
MrFaLkO Mex', killed -T-H-C- Redbull with ak47
terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with ak47
terribleee killed chipper with ak47
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed Miss. with a headshot from deagle ***
*** terribleee killed chipper with a headshot from ak47 ***
Kicked by Console
Kicked
] retry
Commencing connection retry to 45.35.75.195:27020
Connecting to 45.35.75.195:27020...
Connection accepted by 45.35.75.195:27020
* Privileges set
BUILD 7559 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 88
terribleee connected
Couldn't open file overviews/aim_ak-colt.txt. Using default values for overiew mode.
*** Miss. killed chipper with a headshot from deagle ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with galil
] retry
Commencing connection retry to 45.35.75.195:27020
Connecting to 45.35.75.195:27020...
Connection accepted by 45.35.75.195:27020
* Privileges set
BUILD 7559 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 88
terribleee connected
Couldn't open file overviews/aim_ak-colt.txt. Using default values for overiew mode.
chipper killed Miss. with aug
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed chipper with galil
Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
terribleee is joining the Counter-Terrorist force
GeRbErMaN!! connected
GeRbErMaN!! is joining the Terrorist force
PTB: You have been auto-assigned...
Miss. killed chipper with awp
Miss. killed MrFaLkO Mex', with awp
terribleee : why you kick me
chipper killed -T-H-C- Redbull with aug
Miss. killed chipper with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
[CSDM] Type "guns" in chat to re-enable your equip menu.
-T-H-C- Redbull killed MrFaLkO Mex', with ak47
MrFaLkO Mex', dropped
MrFaLkO Mex', has left the game
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : spamming
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
[For The Weapons Menu] say guns
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
SOMETINGWONG dropped
terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
[HPK] Players with ping higher than 300ms will be kicked!
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : i wasnt spamming i saw you
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
Miss. : you spamm
terribleee : i saw him
chipper killed Miss. with aug
-T-H-C- Redbull (RADIO): Fire in the hole!
40calgames.com
GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with grenade
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : u were shooting before u came around the corner
terribleee : after i saw you
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Miss. : yup cause you did it to me on the snow map
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
terribleee : dont be mad that i walled you. not the same as spamming
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed chipper with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : thats spamming
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : its actually clearly defined in your own rules on your MOTD as blindly firing at
walls
terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
40calgames.com
Miss. killed chipper with awp
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : which is spamming
chipper killed Miss. with ak47
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : which isnt what i was doing
SplatterPunl connected
*** Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from awp ***
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : i saw you, hid behind a wall and shot where i thought u were
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : thats a wallbang
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
SplatterPunl is joining the Terrorist force
MrFaLkO Mex', connected
GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with grenade
MrFaLkO Mex', is joining the Counter-Terrorist force
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with aug
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : which is stillagainst the rules
*** SplatterPunl killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from m4a1 ***
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
40calgames.com
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed MrFaLkO Mex', with a headshot from ak47 ***
GeRbErMaN!! killed terribleee with ak47
terribleee : i just read your rules. wallbangs are not against the rules
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with usp
chipper killed MrFaLkO Mex', with awp
Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : i say they are they are
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from awp ***
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
MrFaLkO Mex', (RADIO): Fire in the hole!
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
SplatterPunl killed Miss. with grenade
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : stop playing symantics
Miss. killed chipper with awp
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : ...
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** SplatterPunl killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from m4a1 ***
ADD OUR IP: 45.35.75.195:27020 - 40calgames.com
MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
terribleee : im not playing semantics. its literally defined in your rules. wallbangs are part of
1.6
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
*** -T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with a headshot from m4a1 ***
40calgames.com
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
chipper killed terribleee with galil
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : not in this server
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Unknown command: -push
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with ak47
terribleee : do you often enforce rules you don't have listed?
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with ak47
chipper killed -T-H-C- Redbull with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull (RADIO): Enemy down.
MrFaLkO Mex', killed SplatterPunl with ak47
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed SplatterPunl with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed MrFaLkO Mex', with a headshot from ak47 ***
Kicked by Console
Kicked
Feel free to check the server logs to verify this information is correct. I usually play 1.6 once in a blue moon and have no issues on 40 cal servers but this behavior is really not acceptable for an admin representing your fine organization.
Warm regards,
c0www
Edited for clarity
Admin's Rank: Unknown
Server & Map: Deathmatch, aim_ak-colt
Date & Time: 6/5/2018, about 6:30pm central US time
Witnesses (If app.): Unknown
Accusation(s): Kick abuse, applying his own standards to rules
Demo: Unavailable
Mstgman kicked me without warning after I killed him 4 or 5 times in a row. He was awping on aim_ak-colt so I decided to push up with my ak and get in his face about it. I killed him about 4-5 times in a row, some using wallbangs after I peeked to see his location. I often wide peek, take a few taps or a burst, then strafe behind a wall and take a few taps at where I last saw the enemy - then rinse and repeat. At best I might get a dink on the person through a wall allowing for an easy kill on the follow-up peek. It's a tactic I've used for over 10 years without issue and I've never heard it defined as spamming.
I was then kicked with no reason given. I reconnected and read the rules in the MOTD and was puzzled as to why I was kicked, so I asked. He simply replied "Spamming." I contested with something similar to: "A wallbang is not the same as spamming. I saw you." The rules in the MOTD define spamming specifically as "Firing blindly into walls." I was not doing this.
I explained I had seen his location, hid behind a wall, and tapped where I thought his model would be - I don't think I even got a kill through the wall. He then said that is against the rules. Ironically this is something I've read in other complaints about him that he does quite often (peeking, seeing an enemy, then attempting to hit them through a wall). I contested something similar to: "Spamming is clearly defined in the rules in the MOTD. What I did is not spam, it's a wallbang. It's a part of 1.6." He replied "Not in this server." Because Spamming is so clearly defined in the rules, I inquired if he often enforces rules that are not listed (and I was kicked again with no reason given). At this point it was pretty clear to me he was just mad he was losing to me and making up rules as he went. I was asking legitimate questions and he kept moving the goal posts. Because of this I felt compelled to report his actions, as several others have. I've attached console information below. Please note that my name in game was "terrrrible" during the incident and I've bolded the important bits (conversation and kick).
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
MrFaLkO Mex', killed -T-H-C- Redbull with ak47
terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with ak47
terribleee killed chipper with ak47
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed Miss. with a headshot from deagle ***
*** terribleee killed chipper with a headshot from ak47 ***
Kicked by Console
Kicked
] retry
Commencing connection retry to 45.35.75.195:27020
Connecting to 45.35.75.195:27020...
Connection accepted by 45.35.75.195:27020
* Privileges set
BUILD 7559 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 88
terribleee connected
Couldn't open file overviews/aim_ak-colt.txt. Using default values for overiew mode.
*** Miss. killed chipper with a headshot from deagle ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with galil
] retry
Commencing connection retry to 45.35.75.195:27020
Connecting to 45.35.75.195:27020...
Connection accepted by 45.35.75.195:27020
* Privileges set
BUILD 7559 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 88
terribleee connected
Couldn't open file overviews/aim_ak-colt.txt. Using default values for overiew mode.
chipper killed Miss. with aug
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed chipper with galil
Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
terribleee is joining the Counter-Terrorist force
GeRbErMaN!! connected
GeRbErMaN!! is joining the Terrorist force
PTB: You have been auto-assigned...
Miss. killed chipper with awp
Miss. killed MrFaLkO Mex', with awp
terribleee : why you kick me
chipper killed -T-H-C- Redbull with aug
Miss. killed chipper with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
[CSDM] Type "guns" in chat to re-enable your equip menu.
-T-H-C- Redbull killed MrFaLkO Mex', with ak47
MrFaLkO Mex', dropped
MrFaLkO Mex', has left the game
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : spamming
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
[For The Weapons Menu] say guns
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
SOMETINGWONG dropped
terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
[HPK] Players with ping higher than 300ms will be kicked!
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : i wasnt spamming i saw you
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
Miss. : you spamm
terribleee : i saw him
chipper killed Miss. with aug
-T-H-C- Redbull (RADIO): Fire in the hole!
40calgames.com
GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with grenade
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : u were shooting before u came around the corner
terribleee : after i saw you
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Miss. : yup cause you did it to me on the snow map
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
terribleee : dont be mad that i walled you. not the same as spamming
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed chipper with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : thats spamming
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : its actually clearly defined in your own rules on your MOTD as blindly firing at
walls
terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
40calgames.com
Miss. killed chipper with awp
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : which is spamming
chipper killed Miss. with ak47
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : which isnt what i was doing
SplatterPunl connected
*** Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from awp ***
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : i saw you, hid behind a wall and shot where i thought u were
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : thats a wallbang
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
SplatterPunl is joining the Terrorist force
MrFaLkO Mex', connected
GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with grenade
MrFaLkO Mex', is joining the Counter-Terrorist force
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with aug
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : which is stillagainst the rules
*** SplatterPunl killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from m4a1 ***
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
40calgames.com
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed MrFaLkO Mex', with a headshot from ak47 ***
GeRbErMaN!! killed terribleee with ak47
terribleee : i just read your rules. wallbangs are not against the rules
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with usp
chipper killed MrFaLkO Mex', with awp
Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : i say they are they are
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from awp ***
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
MrFaLkO Mex', (RADIO): Fire in the hole!
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
SplatterPunl killed Miss. with grenade
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : stop playing symantics
Miss. killed chipper with awp
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : ...
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** SplatterPunl killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from m4a1 ***
ADD OUR IP: 45.35.75.195:27020 - 40calgames.com
MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
terribleee : im not playing semantics. its literally defined in your rules. wallbangs are part of
1.6
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
*** -T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with a headshot from m4a1 ***
40calgames.com
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
chipper killed terribleee with galil
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : not in this server
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Unknown command: -push
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with ak47
terribleee : do you often enforce rules you don't have listed?
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with ak47
chipper killed -T-H-C- Redbull with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull (RADIO): Enemy down.
MrFaLkO Mex', killed SplatterPunl with ak47
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed SplatterPunl with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed MrFaLkO Mex', with a headshot from ak47 ***
Kicked by Console
Kicked
Feel free to check the server logs to verify this information is correct. I usually play 1.6 once in a blue moon and have no issues on 40 cal servers but this behavior is really not acceptable for an admin representing your fine organization.
Warm regards,
c0www
Edited for clarity