The admin abuse is getting extremely abrasive. Just recently, I was in the Warcraft 3 server for about 20 minutes, and within those 20 minutes, I never felt so inclined to leave. I usually stay on for a few hours, and about 5 at most at a time, but I left as soon as 20 minutes hit. What happened?
Knee High Jedi slayed Gonads for camping on top of a light post as the last T, and I thought it was because he wasn't completing his objective, but it wasn't. It was because under Knee High Jedi's rules, you cannot go anywhere if you are looking over a wall or if you use ANY WC3 SKILL TO OBTAIN THAT POSITION (is it not a wc3 server?). I understand admins can have their own rules, but he did not state this right away, instead, in all talk, after Gonads asked why he was slayed for ledging if it's not against the rules, he said 'do it again, i dare you to. see what happens'. An admin should never threaten anybody, unless with valid reason, such as a hacker or someone pushing the line way too far, which I have noticed gets done very often, admins tend to threaten people left and right, acting as if the power they have is god's gift. After that, I felt inclined to chat with Knee High Jedi, simply because I read 55555's thread on this forum about WC3 abusive admins. When I told Knee High Jedi that he should follow the server rule of be nice or be gone, he kicked me. Kicking me? Are you serious? So I tried to justify my point, since he kept saying that ledging is against the rules, no matter what. Then he threatened to ban me if I kept talking. I know it wasn't the most clever thing to say, but Belcross reminded me just 2 minutes before joining the server, that the rule 'Be nice or be gone' applies to all players, even admins. Then Knee High Jedi finally cleared his version of the ledging rule after many people kept telling him he was wrong and to look on forums. So Knee High Jedi says it's his rules and he's the admin, and that we will obey his governing. Then I helped the regs understand to follow it, even though it's not THE rule, it's HIS rule, and it'd be fine to obey, but of course it doesn't end there. Knee High Jedi continues to threaten me, tells me not to say another word or else, and when everything seems to be settled, he picks another fight with me and asks me why I said 'the rule was wrong' and that I don't know any better than him. What I said was that the rule was wrong from the standard ledging rule, posted and enforced by Gandhi and enforced by all admins. Knee High Jedi's reasoning for this was: "it's because the admins in here like to ledge and abuse the rules themselves". So if Knee High Jedi thinks the admins are doing bad, what does that mean about the regs views on the admins? I believe there is far more abuse than this going on in the servers, some I don't want to mention because I know I will get targeted and banned from them. What the hell? I'm afraid to speak my mind? Yes, that's what you guys have going on in Warcraft 3, I am too afraid to speak my mind, I thought about telling all of this solely to higher up admins and not posting, but finally decided to post, but I am afraid to go on. Why should a regular be afraid to complain if they feel there is injustice. It's not fair, the rules aren't being followed by the very admins themselves, and the rules keep changing. Next thing you know, you can say any swear word you want, then 2 days later, everyone gets permanently banned.
Rules need to be clear cut rules, admins should not have rules that they decide are beneficial to enforce only when they play. This confuses the regs, even infuriates them. Furthermore, admins should not pursue arguments with regs, and should not threaten them. They also need to warn people of their standards before taking action. I am tired of the abuse, and I am tired of the confusion. The regs are what builds the server, do the admins want to play by themselves? Rules should be followed by everyone, no exception, especially the 'Be nice or be gone' rule. It confuses the regs and definitely makes them feel unwanted if an admin has special exceptions to very basic rules simply because they want to abuse it, and I'm not talking about rules that don't matter, I'm talking about the admins getting special priority not for their admin use, but rather to have priority over regs as a player. I see way too many exceptions for admins, but no mercy for regs. For a couple examples, when a reg argues JOKINGLY with a friend, they get warned and kicked and banned, but when an admin JOKINGLY kids around with a friend, NO WORRIES, HE HAS THE POWER. Why can't we understand that 'Be Nice or Be Gone' does not mean be dandy and 100% nice with words, it can also mean that I can insult (within the rules) a friend as a way of bonding with them. Many people love to insult one another as FRIENDS, and you can clearly see this, this is their way of bonding or their way of enjoying the time on cs with one another. If one of them complains or asks them to stop, seriously, and they don't, then it should be within the admin's discretion. And as another example, if you say don't spam, this does not mean you can spam walls or crates yourself as an admin and say 'well i saw them' and then shut them up by saying 'end of discussion', or telling someone who used their mic for 5 seconds to stop or be banned, yet that admin can use their mic for 15 minutes and no one is allowed to say anything. Do not use fear to try and quiet those around you, saying if they don't stop or don't be quiet, you'll ban them. This needs to stop, and it needs to stop now. More and more regs complain, now I understand why it was always hard for me to enforce the rules when admins weren't on, because we ALL LOVE IT WHEN THEY AREN'T ON. We don't go butt naked crazy and say 'F THIS F THAT F U SEX THIS SEX THAT DRUG THIS ALCHY THAT', but instead, they are free to obey the rules without the abuse of an admin interfering. Sure there are those who do break the rules when admins aren't on, but surprisingly, the regs like it better if a player ledges illegally or spams the mic more than if an admin comes in dictating their views and abusing their powers.
Sorry for the long thread, I have spent too much time in the Warcraft 3 server not to have opinions, void them, complain, do as you wish, but if you are thinking of ways to defend yourself and bash me instead, then you know just how corrupt you are, and how you aren't willing to change, but if you can understand where I'm coming from, agree to disagree in certain areas, and try to be more understanding towards regs and overall fairness, then you are actually in it for 40 cal's well being and constant growth.
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From Warcraft 3 Subforum:
forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=32&p=70
Edit: I saw hi to everyone who says hi to me and others who I know joined. Is it so hard for the admins to recognize regs, drop in a friendly tell all: hello, or do something special for us? Most of the talk, I'd say 99%, or 99.9% of the times, the admins do not say hi to anyone who says hi to them, is it cockiness or a sense that they are better than us?Belcross wrote:There is No Skywalking/Ledging.
Ledging is only places that take advantage of map exploits. So if you can see over a wall or through a wall your in a place where you shouldn't be.
Example: Dust2 boxes outside ct side tunnel. When your up there you can see over the wall into tunnels and you can see them but they can't see you. Thats a map exploit.
And also note that some of my complaints don't apply to some admins, they are complaints from certain experiences that I pulled out. I don't want you guys to think I'm speaking about every admin I've encountered, that is not the case, I am talking about select few individuals, very few but I don't want to bash any more than I already have. Contact me or post if you have any questions or comments please. I also have many compliments to many admins, but I'll save those for another day.
Another Edit:
Now I know why my friend from last night posted me about Knee High Jedi banning him for 'ledging' when it's supposed to be okay. I ignored him because I thought it was his own fault, but now I owe him an apology for not helping him out more than 'post on forums to be unbanned' It disgusts me how an admin's faults can make effect others so negatively.