Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

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Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by c0www » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:15 pm

Admin's Name: Mstgman
Admin's Rank: Unknown
Server & Map: Deathmatch, aim_ak-colt
Date & Time: 6/5/2018, about 6:30pm central US time
Witnesses (If app.): Unknown
Accusation(s): Kick abuse, applying his own standards to rules
Demo: Unavailable

Mstgman kicked me without warning after I killed him 4 or 5 times in a row. He was awping on aim_ak-colt so I decided to push up with my ak and get in his face about it. I killed him about 4-5 times in a row, some using wallbangs after I peeked to see his location. I often wide peek, take a few taps or a burst, then strafe behind a wall and take a few taps at where I last saw the enemy - then rinse and repeat. At best I might get a dink on the person through a wall allowing for an easy kill on the follow-up peek. It's a tactic I've used for over 10 years without issue and I've never heard it defined as spamming.

I was then kicked with no reason given. I reconnected and read the rules in the MOTD and was puzzled as to why I was kicked, so I asked. He simply replied "Spamming." I contested with something similar to: "A wallbang is not the same as spamming. I saw you." The rules in the MOTD define spamming specifically as "Firing blindly into walls." I was not doing this.


I explained I had seen his location, hid behind a wall, and tapped where I thought his model would be - I don't think I even got a kill through the wall. He then said that is against the rules. Ironically this is something I've read in other complaints about him that he does quite often (peeking, seeing an enemy, then attempting to hit them through a wall). I contested something similar to: "Spamming is clearly defined in the rules in the MOTD. What I did is not spam, it's a wallbang. It's a part of 1.6." He replied "Not in this server." Because Spamming is so clearly defined in the rules, I inquired if he often enforces rules that are not listed (and I was kicked again with no reason given). At this point it was pretty clear to me he was just mad he was losing to me and making up rules as he went. I was asking legitimate questions and he kept moving the goal posts. Because of this I felt compelled to report his actions, as several others have. I've attached console information below. Please note that my name in game was "terrrrible" during the incident and I've bolded the important bits (conversation and kick).


*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from ak47 ***
MrFaLkO Mex', killed -T-H-C- Redbull with ak47
terribleee killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with ak47
terribleee killed chipper with ak47
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed Miss. with a headshot from deagle ***
*** terribleee killed chipper with a headshot from ak47 ***
Kicked by Console
Kicked

] retry
Commencing connection retry to 45.35.75.195:27020
Connecting to 45.35.75.195:27020...
Connection accepted by 45.35.75.195:27020
* Privileges set

BUILD 7559 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 88
terribleee connected
Couldn't open file overviews/aim_ak-colt.txt. Using default values for overiew mode.
*** Miss. killed chipper with a headshot from deagle ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with galil
] retry
Commencing connection retry to 45.35.75.195:27020
Connecting to 45.35.75.195:27020...
Connection accepted by 45.35.75.195:27020
* Privileges set

BUILD 7559 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 88
terribleee connected
Couldn't open file overviews/aim_ak-colt.txt. Using default values for overiew mode.
chipper killed Miss. with aug
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed chipper with galil
Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
terribleee is joining the Counter-Terrorist force
GeRbErMaN!! connected
GeRbErMaN!! is joining the Terrorist force
PTB: You have been auto-assigned...
Miss. killed chipper with awp
Miss. killed MrFaLkO Mex', with awp
terribleee : why you kick me

chipper killed -T-H-C- Redbull with aug
Miss. killed chipper with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
[CSDM] Type "guns" in chat to re-enable your equip menu.
-T-H-C- Redbull killed MrFaLkO Mex', with ak47
MrFaLkO Mex', dropped
MrFaLkO Mex', has left the game
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : spamming

-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
[For The Weapons Menu] say guns
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
SOMETINGWONG dropped
terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
[HPK] Players with ping higher than 300ms will be kicked!
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : i wasnt spamming i saw you

*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
Miss. : you spamm

terribleee : i saw him

chipper killed Miss. with aug
-T-H-C- Redbull (RADIO): Fire in the hole!
40calgames.com
GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with grenade
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : u were shooting before u came around the corner

terribleee : after i saw you


Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Miss. : yup cause you did it to me on the snow map

*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
terribleee : dont be mad that i walled you. not the same as spamming

*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed chipper with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : thats spamming

-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : its actually clearly defined in your own rules on your MOTD as blindly firing at
walls


terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
40calgames.com
Miss. killed chipper with awp
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : which is spamming

chipper killed Miss. with ak47
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : which isnt what i was doing

SplatterPunl connected
*** Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from awp ***
Miss. killed chipper with awp
terribleee : i saw you, hid behind a wall and shot where i thought u were

*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : thats a wallbang

Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
SplatterPunl is joining the Terrorist force
MrFaLkO Mex', connected
GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with grenade
MrFaLkO Mex', is joining the Counter-Terrorist force
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with aug
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : which is stillagainst the rules

*** SplatterPunl killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from m4a1 ***
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
40calgames.com
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed MrFaLkO Mex', with a headshot from ak47 ***
GeRbErMaN!! killed terribleee with ak47
terribleee : i just read your rules. wallbangs are not against the rules

MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with usp
chipper killed MrFaLkO Mex', with awp
Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : i say they are they are

*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** Miss. killed -[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** with a headshot from awp ***
Miss. killed SplatterPunl with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
MrFaLkO Mex', (RADIO): Fire in the hole!
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
SplatterPunl killed Miss. with grenade
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : stop playing symantics

Miss. killed chipper with awp
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from ak47 ***
terribleee : ...

-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with awp
*** SplatterPunl killed -T-H-C- Redbull with a headshot from m4a1 ***
ADD OUR IP: 45.35.75.195:27020 - 40calgames.com
MrFaLkO Mex', killed GeRbErMaN!! with ak47
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
terribleee : im not playing semantics. its literally defined in your rules. wallbangs are part of
1.6


-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull killed GeRbErMaN!! with m4a1
*** -T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with a headshot from m4a1 ***
40calgames.com
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed -T-H-C- Redbull with awp
chipper killed terribleee with galil
-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** : not in this server

-[.40 cal ]- Mstgman ***** killed Miss. with awp
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Unknown command: -push
*** terribleee killed GeRbErMaN!! with a headshot from ak47 ***
-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with ak47
terribleee : do you often enforce rules you don't have listed?

-T-H-C- Redbull killed SplatterPunl with ak47
chipper killed -T-H-C- Redbull with ak47
-T-H-C- Redbull (RADIO): Enemy down.
MrFaLkO Mex', killed SplatterPunl with ak47
Miss. killed GeRbErMaN!! with awp
Miss. killed chipper with awp
*** MrFaLkO Mex', killed SplatterPunl with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed Miss. with a headshot from ak47 ***
MrFaLkO Mex', killed chipper with ak47
*** GeRbErMaN!! killed MrFaLkO Mex', with a headshot from ak47 ***
Kicked by Console
Kicked


Feel free to check the server logs to verify this information is correct. I usually play 1.6 once in a blue moon and have no issues on 40 cal servers but this behavior is really not acceptable for an admin representing your fine organization.

Warm regards,
c0www

Edited for clarity

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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by DIvech » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:39 am

Please read the rules forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :arrow:
Now take note that there's spamming included, after that think about the long complaint you posted and maybe consider your own apology :idea:

I'm probabbly going soft these days, few years back i probably would have banned you for a week with that much proof you provided... :roll:

P.S. Just to be perfectly clear, to fire at a wall without seeing your enemy in our servers is declared as wall spamming :!:
You're free to call it whatever you want though :mrgreen:
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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by c0www » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:11 pm

Interesting response. I've been nothing but respectful and you threaten to ban me. With all due respect, did you read my post? I very clearly saw him (and mentioned it multiple times). Your rules clearly define spamming as firing blindly into a wall. I was not doing that. I saw an enemy and shot at him while strafing back and forth. I didn't even land a frag through a wall. In what universe is that considered spamming? In fact, in one complaint on this forum he defended himself for doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Perhaps I shouldn't have wasted my time with my post, though - as apparently it is okay for him to do it, but unacceptable for an enemy to return fire in the same manner.

This admin has had multiple complaints about him when he starts losing to better players. I humbly request another review of my case.

EDIT: You didn't even mention him kicking me for simply inquiring about the rules. Is this typical and acceptable behavior for an admin on your servers? Am I not even allowed to clarify the rules?

Regards,
c0www

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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by lost » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:48 pm

Interesting response: You accuse, point out his mistakes, ( none of your own ), mention his past, ( we have no idea who you are or your past transgressions ) and then ask for respect..

That is called being passive aggressive:

"pas·sive-ag·gres·sive
adjective
adjective: passive-aggressive
1. of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials."

If you really want to be taken seriously, try asking for another chance and a clarification of the rules you broke..Stop being passive aggressive and blaming others.

Just my two cents..

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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by c0www » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:47 pm

All I did was report what happened. I'm not being passive aggressive, although I am getting a little annoyed by how yall treat people who report abuse in good faith. I haven't been disrespectful. I haven't been vulgar. I haven't been demanding. I'm just reporting what happened for the benefit of your community. I also never asked for respect. I said I was being respectful. Although some common courtesy would be appreciated...

I don't think I made any mistakes, save my question about if he enforces rules that are not listed - but given his moving of the goalposts and side-stepping my direct quote from your MOTD, it seemed appropriate at the time (and I'm willing to accept it was a rhetorical question because the answer is clearly yes - confirmed by the kick). I bring up his past because he definitely has a history of doing this and it wasn't just a one off situation. I think that's more than relevant. It's very telling that he would defend himself for doing THE EXACT SAME THING then he turns around and punishes others for returning fire in the same manner. Again, his past seems more than relevant.

Also, most people don't record a demo every time they play the game. I provided console, which was the best I could do to summarize the incident. I also implored you to review the server logs to verify the authenticity of my claims.

I understand people lie on the internet, but I literally have nothing to gain. I just wanted your community to be aware of what this admin does when he starts losing and no one is watching. Do with that what you will.

Regards,
c0www

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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by lost » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:09 pm

"All I did was report what happened. I'm not being passive aggressive, although I am getting a little annoyed by how yall treat people who report abuse in good faith"

That right there is the very definition of passive aggressive..Pointing out how "YOU" are just reporting the facts and being attacked for it, while trying to show us the mistakes and problems "WE" have.

I am not trying to be an ass ( because believe me I can be a big one ), but if you really do not understand how you are coming across in this forum, then I see no help for you.

I do not know you, your past or even your age, but since you have not been banned and still whining, I am thinking teenager..

Drop it, move on, have fun, obey the rules, when in doubt obey the admin..Simple. Cya in the servers.. :D

OR, join, help out, jump in..donate and support the servers..
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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by c0www » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:25 pm

>OR, join, help out, jump in..donate and support the servers..

Lmao. You call me an immature teenager when I report admin abuse in good faith (with literally nothing to gain), then chastise me for objecting to abuse while having the gaul to beg for donations? I have no quarrel with your community and I quite enjoy your servers. I only have issue with the way this one admin this one time has treated me - and how words keep getting shoved in my mouth. Both responses I've received have mischaracterized my report to great excess. I reported facts as bluntly and neutrally as possible but apparently that is passive aggressive. Perhaps in 2 years time when you accumulate 30 more complaints you may heed my warnings regarding your poor admin (with a history of being a sore loser).

How does that cliche go? Integrity is what you do when no one is watching.

PS. If you didn't get it, it's not about me. It really doesn't bother me. I play 1.6 every 4 months at best. I was just reporting it because I thought your organization cared about poor quality control. Again, do with it what you will. If you don't care, fair enough. No need to argue with me then. I just wish yall were more understanding about how your rules bend to certain admins. Rules should be clearly defined and enforced exactly as they are defined. Rules should not bend because an admin arbitrarily changes them to suit his needs. I'm not telling you how to run your server, but rules that bend to an admin's whims don't seem like the best way to command respect. In fact, they command the opposite.

Take it easy.
c0www

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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by lost » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:20 pm

WOW!! You change it around, deny any responsibility, want us to acknowledge your point of view and your obvious wisdom in all things, yet you are an anonymous player who supports no servers, but wants them all to run only how you approve..

NO BEGGING HERE..Just offered to let you get involved, but I now realize my mistake in thinking you were sincere in wanting to participate.

This is from ME to YOU, not the .40 clan, or anyone on this forum.

You sir are an ass, passive aggressive is your m.o. I am done and ashamed that I allowed you to draw me into your drama, because you live for it, much like a teenage girl.
Nobody banned you, yet you did your little jabs, telling us everything wrong from your always perfect world.
Just go away, done with you, please do not play when I am in server , I play to have FUN, not deal with morons.

I apologize to my clan members for subjecting you to this stupid drama, I really thought we might gain a new recruit or a new regular, but I was wrong.
Just drama and he/she/it loves the attention..
Please lock the thread. :!:
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Re: Mstgman kick abuse and applying his own, arbitrary rules

Post by c0www » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:00 am

Hahaha what you even talking about? You've addressed literally none of my concerns and apparently it's all my fault for expecting clearly defined rules to be enforced in the way they're defined. Lol I've obviously wasted my time. Have a great life.

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